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(Archmage/214720) Looks like this page from back in 2007 still works:

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:53:00 -0600

Looks like this page from back in 2007 still works:
http://osxdaily.com/2007/12/24/change-the-105-leopard-dock-from-3d-to-2d/

(Archmage/214719) OK, I just noticed that my laptop has the Dock setup so that it ...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:50:00 -0600

OK, I just noticed that my laptop has the Dock setup so that it is not 3D
looking, evne though it is on the bottom of the screen. (it has the appears
of the side-dock, even though it's on the bottom.)

It must be a carried-forward hidden option from years ago which has survived
my many time machine installs when going to the newer versions of OS X.

Anyone know how to make this happen? I want to do it on my work desktop.

(Stilgar/214718) Anything I want to keep open, I do it the old way (startup items...

Stilgar@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:27:00 -0600

Anything I want to keep open, I do it the old way (startup items).  Anything
I'd like to have open but isn't critical I use (Terminal, Chrome, etc) I use
"remember open windows."

(Feoh/214717) What do people do about session management / automatic program s...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:37:00 -0600

What do people do about session management / automatic program startup under
Lion? I used to have it just start all my typical stuff in the Startup Items
group, but now with Lion remembering everything that's running and
auto-restarting it when I log back in I've been using that of late, but
sometimes that can be a PITA because I might accidentally quit something and
then not notice it's absent (e.g. Adium or Propane)

Thoughts?

(Feoh/214716) No shocker there, when you stack up iPhone, iPod touch etc. it's...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:29:00 -0600

No shocker there, when you stack up iPhone, iPod touch etc. it's huge.  Also
I'm seeing a LOT of kids with iTouches. they make a hell of a nice gaming
platform for parents (good parental locks).

(Gespalder/214715) Apple iOS Devices Sold in 2011 Outnumber All Macs Ever Sold

Gespalder@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:42:00 -0600

Apple iOS Devices Sold in 2011 Outnumber All Macs Ever Sold
Apple sold 156 million iOS devices in 2011, which is more than the 122 million
Macs sold during the past 28 years.

(Gespalder/214714) In case you forgot.

Gespalder@rss.iscabbs.com — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:54:00 -0600

In case you forgot.
ABC's NIGHTLINE tonight is A Trip to the iFactory
Or, to use the name on the screen (above is from a Google search)
iFactory: Inside Apple

(Archmage/214712) Scrolling reversed:

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:03:00 -0600

Scrolling reversed:

It should be cusomizable on a per-device basis. There should be a separte
control panel for each type of mouse you have. It may help i fyou tunr off all
mice except the one you want to configure.

(Sheik Yerbouti/214711) I think Apple dumbing down OS X Server -- they actually removed ...

Sheik Yerbouti@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:40:00 -0600


I think Apple dumbing down OS X Server -- they actually removed parts of
Server Admin and Workgroup Manager without replacing them with similar
GUI functionality -- was my main beef with Lion. Most of the things like
'natural scrolling', etc, are easily reversable in the UI. I was pretty
impressed with it when it came out, although Safari and networking in
general was crashtastic.

My biggest concern with Apple coming out with a new OS every year
instead of every other year is that from a bug-fixing and enterprise
perspective this will probably  mean that more bugs are never fixed in a
software update than currently. I have plenty of experience beating my
head against a desk trying to get Apple to fix bugs for customers, and
usually what happens is this: Apple to my knowledge has no 'support
engineering' or 'continuing engineering' group the way that Microsoft or
higher-end unix vendors like Sun have. This means that the internal
developers serve two masters- they have to write new features for the
next OS at the same time they write fixes for software updates on the
current OS. This is not the best of situations.

And when you have  situations like Apple re-writing their windows file
sharing or directory services from scratch (which came out in Lion),
you run into two different complications: 1) Users that want fixes on
Snow Leopard for their directory services bug probably aren't going to
get it because that bug doesn't exist in Lion (by definition because
they dumped that code) and 2) especially in larger organizations, it's
next to impossible to test the new code in a close-to-production
environment before that OS comes out, and Apple's dot-zero releases,
like just about any software out there, is kinda buggy. Most large orgs
will wait (or have to wait) till a .2 or .3 release before upgrading.
But if Apple is coming out with a new OS every year, it's unlikely that
anything past .3 or maybe .4 is even going to be released, which means
the first fairly mature version of an OS X is also the last version.

And then you throw in the fact that Apple doesn't support running
earlier versions of the software on new hardware. So Apple releases
10.8.3 one day, in the next several months School X or Company Y places
an order for a few hundred iMacs and creates a custom image for that
system, and then Apple comes out with 10.9, and at that point any new
iMacs that are released won't run 10.8.3, meaning the school/business
either has to support/test multiple images or update all their systems
to the new (unstable) version of the software. Not the greatest
situation in the world for IT groups wanting to use Macs.

(Mandel/214710) Where I have had a lot of problems alread is with Mountain Lion....

Mandel@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:48:00 -0600

Where I have had a lot of problems alread is with Mountain Lion.  Obviously
I'm not expected anything more than a dev build there, but that one's
definitely not ready for prime time yet.  Network keeps dying in particular.

Also the beta version of Messages is fucked up on both Lion and Mountain Lion.
After waking it just refuses to connect up.  Haven't dug into it very far.  Be
warned.  The Apple account iMessage link works great though.  It's nice to be
able to continue a conversation from the desktop to the iPhone while on the
road.  That'll be slick when it's more stabilized.  Various other bugs there
too though.

(Mandel/214709) The only issue on that list that I have seen since having used L...

Mandel@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:44:00 -0600

The only issue on that list that I have seen since having used Lion since it
was first released is the backwards scrolling, which is customizeable.  It's
actually become natural enough now with the trackpad that I prefer it reversed
when combined with the other gestures.  What I don't like is reversed for the
mouse wheel, and especially since I jump around to various non-Mac machines a
lot.  What they really need there is seperate options for the pad and the
wheel, but alas they are linked.

I have had no crashing problems with Lion though.

(Danix/214708) Boss hating Lion> It seems that his issues were on:

Danix@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:19:00 -0600

Boss hating Lion> It seems that his issues were on:

- The backwards scrolling (natural scrolling I believe it was called?)
- GarageBand & other apps stopped working completely.
- Some of his apps just started randomly crashing (he really got used to the
"Reopen" window)
- The "Spaces" configuration panel also crashed whenever he tried to change
anything

I didn't get to know what else did he hate, because soon after that the whole
MBP crapped out (HDD failure). It might have been the faulty HDD behind the
crashes, but it seems that my boss just doesn't want to even try Lion again.

If we do get those new MBP's, I'll probably get Lion so I'll have to see for
myself if those complaints had any merit...

(Bristow/214707) Archmage> The grapics for my imac is ATI,RadeonHD2600

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:00:00 -0600

Archmage> The grapics for my imac is ATI,RadeonHD2600

(Mandel/214706) Sheik>> Thanks for the heads up there. The command line tools ...

Mandel@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 02:42:00 -0600

Sheik>>  Thanks for the heads up there.  The command line tools are even better
than that.  It's not just for writing command line tools, but appears to be for
any and all OSX development.  I don't do OSX development, but the biggest turn
off right now for me is the newest XCode.  In previous versions you at least
had the ability to set the default editor but they decided to pull it in 4.3.
Frustrating.  For those of us with vim burned into our brains, that XCode
editor is like needle in the eyes.  Don't get me started about Eclispse.

(Gespalder/214705) Tuesday on ABC

Gespalder@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:26:00 -0600

Tuesday on ABC

GMA: Preview of Inside Apple (it is a look inside Foxconn)
World News with Diane Sawyer: More on the story
NIGHTLINE: The event, Inside Apple

(Sheik Yerbouti/214704) There's a significant difference between the FCP X situation and...

Sheik Yerbouti@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:06:00 -0600


There's a significant difference between the FCP X situation and the Unix-head
situation. Apple wants developers. By rebooting FCP X, they actually make
developers *OVERJOYED* because they get to write 1) 64-bit apps and plugins
that they can charge editors for again and 2) can write helper apps that do the
things that FCP 7 used to do and FCP X probably never will do.

This is compared to unix-heads, which to a large extent *ARE* developers (or at
least, like to roll their own). Heck, Apple just went out of their way
in the last week to release just the command-line pieces to Xcode so
that people writing command-line tools don't have to download the whole
Xcode package:

http://www.kennethreitz.com/xcode-gcc-and-homebrew.html

There's different parts of the 'pro' market, and Apple has supported
different parts of this market to a different extent. They used to have
at least okay support for servers, but that's been dumped slowly but
surely over time. The pro video market, in my opinion, is still an open
question. I think the unix and developer people have had the most
success in getting Apple's ear, simply because Apple needs them
(developers) not just for the Mac, but for iOS as well. I think the only
time they suffer is when Apple introduces some new 'black box'
technology that either breaks their existing implementation or isn't
easily scriptable. The 'personal firewall' that shipped with...Leopard,
I think? is a good example of this, but Apple still included ipfw on
those systems as well. Heck, OS X has never had /etc /tmp or /var in the
root directory...those are actually sim-links to /private/ (some NeXT
cruft). I think as long as Apple has a group that writes development
tools, they are going to actively going to work with the unixheads.

As for Mountain Lion, I made a joke the other day that Apple won't use
'Cougar' as the name for their OS until OS X is past its prime and
hungry for customers.

(Mandel/214703) I actually don't mind the new spaces, but it's more about the ge...

Mandel@rss.iscabbs.com — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:42:00 -0600

I actually don't mind the new spaces, but it's more about the gestures to
change that does it for me I guess.  Not bad.  I never really used Spaces
before.  Now what I want them to do is take a lesson from Gnome 3 (!) and
automatically manage those spaces.  If a space has no windows in it, it should
not exist.  I like that

(Archmage/214702) ..even more minor if you use the 4 finger gesture to move form s...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:54:00 -0600

..even more minor if you use the 4 finger gesture to move form space to space.

(Stilgar/214701) Danix> What exactly does your boss hate about Lion? I think the...

Stilgar@rss.iscabbs.com — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:21:00 -0600

Danix> What exactly does your boss hate about Lion?  I think the biggest
complaint I've heard is that spaces are forced to be left/right of one another,
which I'd say is pretty minor.

(Mandel/214700) "Knowledge Navigator" from 1989:

Mandel@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:36:00 -0600

"Knowledge Navigator" from 1989:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRH8eimU_20

So when do we get Siri for the desktop?

(Feoh/214699) Looks like I'm set for every Mac I own, and even the one I don't...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:45:00 -0600

Looks like I'm set for every Mac I own, and even the one I don't own but use
day to day (work MBP :)

(Justin Case/214698) According to our TAM, Windows 8 server will be, Windows 8 Server...

Justin Case@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:06:00 -0600

According to our TAM, Windows 8 server will be, Windows 8 Server.  Not that it
matters here, or anything.

(The After Party/214697) Win8 != WinNext. Win8 is not server.

The After Party@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:34:00 -0600


  Win8 != WinNext. Win8 is not server.
  The "metro" ui can be turned off and you can go back to your standard
  user interface.
  And KS already mentioned the secure boot thing.

(Bristow/214696) As of right now I am cool with what I have. But I would like to ...

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:43:00 -0600

As of right now I am cool with what I have. But I would like to upgrade
eventually.  Makes me wonder what I should start saving up money for. Macbook
or iMac. Saving would be very minimal right now.

(Archmage/214695) Yeah, that's intel graphics, if I am not Mistaken. No mountain l...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:37:00 -0600

Yeah, that's intel graphics, if I am not Mistaken. No mountain lion for you.
:-)

(Bristow/214694) oh oops I meant to put that in there sorry. I wasn't thinking.

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:36:00 -0600

oh oops I meant to put that in there sorry. I wasn't thinking.
GMA X3100
VRAM 144MB

(Archmage/214693) Bristow, that doesn't tell me enough. I need to knwo what graphi...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:34:00 -0600

Bristow, that doesn't tell me enough. I need to knwo what graphics hardware it
has.

Go ti Apple Menu -> About this Mac -> More Info -> Graphics/Displays

and tell me what it says for Chipset Model.

(Bristow/214692) macbook is 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:29:00 -0600

macbook is 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Memory 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

(Knightshade/214691) Or to put the Secure Boot thing another way-

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:27:00 -0600

Or to put the Secure Boot thing another way-


http://www.extremetech.com/computing/114173-windows-8-secure-boot-calm-down-mic
rosoft-is-simply-copying-apple

(Egregious/214690) When facing the decision of keeping backwards compatability or m...

Egregious@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:25:00 -0600


When facing the decision of keeping backwards compatability or making the new
product better, Apple has always chosen the latter.  This is nothing new in
their operating style, and everyone knows the game going in.

(Knightshade/214689) Secure boot can be turned off though.

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:26:00 -0600

Secure boot can be turned off though.

Ditto Metro

(Archmage/214688) Bristow: Not exactly. It just won't run Mountain Lion.

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:24:00 -0600

Bristow: Not exactly. It just won't run Mountain Lion.

Your imac actually would. Probably not your MacBook, though.

(Unless you have the one MacBook I can think of that doesn't have intel
graphics, which is the aluminum unibody macbook (non-pro). )

(Danix/214687) Archmage> Metro. "Secure Boot". Forcing the Windows look & feel ...

Danix@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:21:00 -0600

Archmage> Metro. "Secure Boot". Forcing the Windows look & feel to be that of a
touchscreen device.

It's yet another UI fuckup hoisted against us, just like Ribbon on the Office
side.

(Bristow/214686) So eventually my macs will be obsolete? Will this happen this su...

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:22:00 -0600

So eventually my macs will be obsolete? Will this happen this summer? This will
suck.

(Archmage/214685) From what I understand, 10.8 will drop support for '08 Macs that...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:18:00 -0600

From what I understand, 10.8 will drop support for '08 Macs that have
integrated graphics. By integrated, I think they really mean "those shitty
intel grpahics chips" but I could be wrong.

Why does win8 appear to be a stinker? Is Win 8 the same thing as Windows NExt?
I thought that was a server release anyway. From a Server standpoint, it's
got some fairly interesting stuff in the data stack.

(Feoh/214684) Knightshade> Disagree. Apple's and oranges. You're talking abo...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:15:00 -0600

Knightshade> Disagree.  Apple's and oranges.  You're talking about one app
versus the entire OS.  This is all mental masturbation anyway, we're
speculating about maybe someday futures.  Maybe someday the brain slugs will
come and then Apple won't matter, eh? :)

(Cyanide/214683) It isn't just Apple, it is Microsoft too. Hell I would do it too...

Cyanide@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:39:00 -0600

It isn't just Apple, it is Microsoft too. Hell I would do it too if I had a
multi-billion dollar userbase. Sell the consumers an embedded computer, that
they can't fuck up, and that eliminates about 80% of the support calls.

Given the iPhones are making more money then the whole of Microsoft, it isnt
really a tough decision.

What I do like about Microsofts plan is they arent strangling their userbase.

(Justin Case/214682) Which is fine. Avid is rolling back in the clients. Good for t...

Justin Case@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:31:00 -0600

Which is fine.  Avid is rolling back in the clients.  Good for them.

(Danix/214681) Feoh> Oh, I really hope I'm wrong. Win8 looks like a huge stinke...

Danix@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:24:00 -0600

Feoh> Oh, I really hope I'm wrong. Win8 looks like a huge stinker so the Mac
move sounds really appealing (ok, that and using OmniGraffle & Merlin for all
my diagrams & project planning.)

(Bristow/214680) I am so behind the time. I don't even have Lion yet. My macbook...

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:26:00 -0600

I am so behind the time.  I don't even have Lion yet. My macbook is from '08
and if I am not mistaken my imac is either '07 or '08 I can't remember.

(WORF/214679) Yeah. Apple cares about the current mass market.

WORF@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:27:00 -0600


Yeah. Apple cares about the current mass market.

Good or bad depends on your POV, but it is certainly a tactic that has worked
to pull in MASSIVE profit.

If your "group" happens to be the masses, expect to be catered to. As soon as
your interests are in the minority, expect Apple to drop you like a rock.

Apple does not care about YOU.

Apple does care about whatever will get the majority to part with their monies.

(Knightshade/214678) Err.... isn't that exact argument directly contradicted by how t...

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:25:00 -0600

Err.... isn't that exact argument directly contradicted by how they handled the
FCP/FCPX stuff Feoh?

they did -exactly- what you said they wouldn't and basically told the power
users "Yeah, you're not really our market, tough shit"

(Feoh/214677) It is not in Apple's interests to keep power users from doing wh...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:22:00 -0600

It is not in Apple's interests to keep power users from doing what their want
with their Macs.  There are a metric buttload of people inside Apple who are
dyed in the wool UNIX buffs - Apple makes a LOT of money selling computers to
peoplw who need UNIX on the back end, they are not about to screw the pooch
the way you're describing.  Worry all you want, it's free, but I would actually
bet real money you're wrong.

(Danix/214676) Apple's brilliant decisions with Lion and now Mountain Lion do s...

Danix@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0600

Apple's brilliant decisions with Lion and now Mountain Lion do seem to have
annoyed at least some of the Applefan userbase. My boss has been using Macs for
quite some time now, but he really, really got annoyed by Lion. In fact, it
broke most of his apps and it seems it made his old MBP crap out. He's using
another MBP and stuck with Snow Leopard.

The Gatekeeper in its current form isn't much of an issue, Feoh, and it's
possible that most of us agree with this. But it isn't what Apple is
implementing *now* what worries us, it's what they will want to do *later*.
Given their history, it's following the "boiled frog" recipe so that when 10.9
comes out, they'll simply whack off the "disable" option and argue that because
only 1% of users used that option, nobody will notice.

Removing these options, or not implementing options are usually met with these
kind of arguments. See how the comments on "can't delete songs on my iPod"
went.

Of course, Apple isn't the only one doing this; MS is now screwing their users
in the same way with Win8, especially with Win8-ARM which will be *forced* to
use the MS store (or whatever they'll bring out). Sony fucked over its geek
userbase with the OtherOS nerfing. But some of these companies (especially
Microsoft) seem to be taking it out from the successful guy, which points back
to Apple. (Ok, maybe Sony/OtherOS isn't the case for that, but Win8 definitely
IS.)

I'm getting increasingly worried on whatever OSX's path goes down, as I've been
hinted that my next company-issued laptop will be an MBP. I'd be miffed if I
finally get it, just to get stuck with the latest OS that won't let me do jack
shit b/c I use non-Apple approved software.

(WORF/214675) Hey, maybe now you can get an original MacBook Air for cheap.

WORF@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:16:00 -0600


Hey, maybe now you can get an original MacBook Air for cheap.

Even that won't run 10.8. Heh.

(Justin Case/214674) Yeah. Unfortuantely, it looks like all my hardware is covered. ...

Justin Case@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:15:00 -0600

Yeah.  Unfortuantely, it looks like all my hardware is covered.  :(

(Knightshade/214673) The better to sell you new hardware.

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:14:00 -0600

The better to sell you new hardware.

Apple's a hardware company after all :)

(Justin Case/214672) Eek, looks like a lot of older Macs are going to get ruled out f...

Justin Case@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:10:00 -0600

Eek, looks like a lot of older Macs are going to get ruled out for a 10.8
upgrade; Engadget is reporting.

(Bristow/214671) Archmage> I already know I probably messed up on the size of the...

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:54:00 -0600

Archmage> I already know I probably messed up on the size of the partitions but
I am going to make due with what I have. I was under the impression that it was
best to make them seperate Time Machine partitions because it says that when it
runs out of room it deletes the old.
I think I can make due for now.  I was really nervous deleting anything even
though I knew I had back ups.

(Archmage/214670) Actually, you are correct. I'll recant what I said.

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:31:00 -0600

Actually, you are correct. I'll recant what I said.
I was thinking it'd be better to have the larger volume in case you run out of
space in 1 of the 2, but the way you hav eit now, you you won't have old
backups from one computer causing the other computer to not have space
to keep old backups.

Just be warned that you might decide at a later time that  you wish you had
used different size partitions. It happens.

(Bristow/214669) Why would I need to keep them together? I figured it would be ea...

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:29:00 -0600

Why would I need to keep them together? I figured it would be easier for me if
I kept them seperate and I could always put stuff in those partions that I only
want for a certain computer.  I was trying to go for something that was clean
and easy to go through.

(Archmage/214668) I would suggest that you make a single bigger partion for your t...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:55:00 -0600

I would suggest that you make a single bigger partion for your time  machine
backups rather than have two separate partitions for each time machine backup,
unless there is some special reason not to do so.

(Bristow/214667) Ok stupid question. Is the best way to transfer the iphotos lib...

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:55:00 -0600

Ok stupid question.  Is the best way to transfer the iphotos library to the
external drive libary through copy and paste?  I went to the internal HD and
copied it and then went to the external hard drive partition that I created and
copying them over. Copying "iphoto library" to "storage"
Is that the best method?

I have already made DVD backups of the photos so there is no problem there.  I
just want to make sure I can clean up my macbook for space but still be able to
access the pictures externally.

I should have done this sooner.

(Bristow/214666) Nevermind I figured it out.

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:33:00 -0600

Nevermind I figured it out.

(Bristow/214665) Ok I finally got my external hard drive. I need to know how to ...

Bristow@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:06:00 -0600

Ok I finally got my external hard drive.  I need to know how to make a second
library on iphoto '08 so I can have most of my photos on the external drive but
be able to access the iphoto application and some photos from the internal hard
drive on my macbook.  I have created three partitions on my external drive. 1.
time machine for macbook 2.extra storage(iphoto & itunes) 3. time machine for
imac.  That is the plan right now.  I still have to back up a few photos before
I transfer them over.
Thanks for the help.

(Spastic Chicken/214664) Actually, in North America Pumas, Panthers and Mountain Lions ar...

Spastic Chicken@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:56:00 -0600

Actually, in North America Pumas, Panthers and Mountain Lions are all the same
animal.

(Gespalder/214663) 10.0 Cheetah

Gespalder@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:29:00 -0600

10.0  Cheetah
10.1  Puma
10.2  Jaguar
10.3  Panther
10.4  Tiger
10.5  Leopard
10.6  Snow Leopard
10.7  Lion
10.8  Mountain Lion

Hmmm, a Puma and a Mountain Lion are one and the same
They still have Clouded Leopard, Lynx, Bobcat, Ocelot, Onza, Serval, Caracal,
Fishing Cat, Savannah Cat, Asian Golden Cat, Sand Cat, Geoffroy's Cat, Wildcat

(Feoh/214662) I suspect there will be much spleen venting over this one too :)

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:43:00 -0600

I suspect there will be much spleen venting over this one too :)
http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/

Once again, I'm a fan.  You can still run with all controls disabled if you
want, but people who want an 'unbreakable' computing experience can have one.

(Feoh/214661) My feelings exactly Stilgar! Just don't take away my zsh, homebr...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:00:00 -0600

My feelings exactly Stilgar! Just don't take away my zsh, homebrew, or Vim and
I'll be a happy man :)

(Stilgar/214660) As long as OS X is based off of BSD and has a terminal you're go...

Stilgar@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:00:00 -0600

As long as OS X is based off of BSD and has a terminal you're going to be able
to do the l33t stuff.

(The After Party/214659) Feoh

The After Party@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:07:00 -0600

Feoh

  I can't, because my MBP is mostly idle.
  When i fire it up i'll find shit to bitch about and post it here.

(Feoh/214658) After Party> How so? I'm not trying to be a gadfly here, but can...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:15:00 -0600

After Party> How so? I'm not trying to be a gadfly here, but can you cite
specific examples?

I'm thinking about the App Store, which all the geeks ranted and roared about
for MONTHS.  Nobody HAS to use it.  It's a choice.  I can install my own stuff
whenever and from wherever I want, I have Homebrew on my Mac and build most of
my work-a-day tools from source.  Yet I still buy some apps from the app store
'cause it's simple and convenient *AND* seamlessly lets me install apps I've
bought on every machine I own.  Win win win.  How is anyone being trumped in
any way?

(Archmage/214657) I have not seen any indication that Mac is moving away from appe...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:15:00 -0600

I have not seen any indication that Mac is moving away from appeal for the
133t.

The closest thing I have seen is dumbing down some of the command line
interfaces for some of the mac-specific features, such as spotlight.
(mdutil)

(Justin Case/214656) I sure hope they don't turn my Mac into an iPad.

Justin Case@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:45:00 -0600

I sure hope they don't turn my Mac into an iPad.

(Cyanide/214655) Fedora/gnome3 have gone a similar direction. Gnome3 on Fedora, m...

Cyanide@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:37:00 -0600

Fedora/gnome3 have gone a similar direction. Gnome3 on Fedora, makes me think
im on a tablet and I should be touching the screen.

The integration is nice.. but it isnt touting any great technical oh my god an
orgasm I need this features.

(The After Party/214654) MacOS->iOS

The After Party@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:24:00 -0600

MacOS->iOS

  I don't agree that Apple's good at doing both simple and elite.
  The simple way trumps the elite way.

(Feoh/214653) I don't have a problem with the new features that website telegr...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:15:00 -0600

I don't have a problem with the new features that website telegraphs.  I
actually rather *LIKE* the IOS-ization of MacOS. I think Apple is taking a big
risk with this stuff, but IMO it's all good.

Make computers simple for everyday folk to use.  Make it continue to be
possible for the hacker elite to do what they want.  This is the direction I
see them going in, and honestly, though I'm sure my opinion will be rather
unpopular, I approve.

(Spastic Chicken/214652) "Mountain Lion"? This is just getting rediculous.

Spastic Chicken@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:05:00 -0600

"Mountain Lion"? This is just getting rediculous.

The next "big step" is gonna be Mac OS X Tabby Cat

(Archmage/214651) Mac OS X Mountain Lion:

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:52:00 -0600

Mac OS X Mountain Lion:

More of that Mac-Goes-iOS shit we've been hearing of.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/

(Mr Tinkertrain/214650) some quick tests that I did seemed to be same behavior, but I wa...

Mr Tinkertrain@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:46:00 -0600

some quick tests that I did seemed to be same behavior, but I wanted to make
sure :)

(Archmage/214649) Tinkertrain, I believe that mail.app keeps the attachment in the...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:44:00 -0600

Tinkertrain, I believe that mail.app keeps the attachment in the mail, and only
uses Mail Attachments directory as a default location for saving the
attachments. That's the behavior as I observe it, anyway.

(Salubrious/214648) Every time an apple is sold, Apple(R) suffers unacceptable trade...

Salubrious@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:39:00 -0600

Every time an apple is sold, Apple(R) suffers unacceptable trademark dilution.
I hope the lawyers don't rest until the farmers find another name for their
silly fruit.

(Mr Tinkertrain/214647) Mac Mail question:

Mr Tinkertrain@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:38:00 -0600

Mac Mail question:

When email comes into Mac mail, does it strip out the attachments and put in
the Mail Downloads, or are the Mail Downloads only if someone, say,
double-clicks on an attachment?  If so, does the original attachment stay in
the email?

I ask because we're out of space on one of our servers, and if those downloads
are just unnecessary duplicates, I'll delete them

(it's on a share for ex employees, their data is retained for a little while)

(DrMemory/214646) Back in the 90's, the unofficial Apple slogan was "because lawye...

DrMemory@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:21:00 -0600

Back in the 90's, the unofficial Apple slogan was "because lawyers are cheaper
than inventory..."

(Grayson/214645) Interesting issue.... I have a macbook air that keeps forgetting...

Grayson@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:20:00 -0600

Interesting issue.... I have a macbook air that keeps forgetting its password.
Works fine for a couple days then will not let the user login anymore, and we
have to reset the password.  Anyone seen this before?

(Raubvogel/214644) Gespalder, the theme sound should be the ol' sosumi

Raubvogel@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:59:00 -0600

        Gespalder, the theme sound should be the ol' sosumi

(Justin Case/214643) They have to spend all that money in the war chest somehow.

Justin Case@rss.iscabbs.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:45:00 -0600

They have to spend all that money in the war chest somehow.

(Gespalder/214642) Hmmm, suing people seems to be Apple's forte

Gespalder@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:13:00 -0600

Hmmm, suing people seems to be Apple's forte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_litigation_of_Apple_Computer
Between January 2008 and May 2010, Apple, Inc. filed more than 350 cases with
the US Trademark office alone, most in opposition to or taking exception to
others' use of the terms 'apple', 'pod', and 'safari': those cases include
sellers of apples (the fruit), as well as many others' less unassuming use of
the term 'apple'.[1]

(Feoh/214641) I use Notational Velocity on desktops AWESOME app! ans SimpleN...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:24:00 -0600

I use Notational Velocity on desktops *AWESOME app!* ans SimpleNote for
integration with iPhone and iPad, as well as accessing my notes from the web
were I to need to do that.

(Archmage/214640) on the iPhone Notes app, does it support the exchagne account?

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:09:00 -0600

on the iPhone Notes app, does it support the exchagne account?
I find it odd that Mail.app keeps Notes for the exchange account, but the
iPhone Notes app doesn't.

(Ace High/214639) a few weeks ago, someone posted a link to a site that basically ...

Ace High@rss.iscabbs.com — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:35:00 -0600

a few weeks ago, someone posted a link to a site that basically tells you how
new or how stale a particular apple product line is in response to me asking
about the imac getting an update. can you send that to me in mail> or post it
here? i want to put it in the forum info. thanks.

(River/214638) Another G4 question...

River@rss.iscabbs.com — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:18:00 -0600


Another G4 question...

I've got a Quicksilver (2001) which I had years ago upgraded with a Sonnet dual
1.8 GHz CPU.  Never quiet to begin with, ever since the upgrade...let's just
say it's loud.

I had already replaced the PSU fan and the 120mm case fan with quieter models
with equal or greater airflow.  The primary culprits are the two 50mm fans on
the CPU heat sink.  Each one is pushing 13 cfm.  I'd like to remove these two
fans and substitute a much quieter single 80mm fan that pushes 32 cfm.

A picture of an identical Sonnet CPU is here:

http://tinyurl.com/6omxwbt

The two fans are on one side of the larger heatsink, directly over the two
processors.  The single fan, although pushing more air, distributes that air
over a larger surface area.  Any thoughts on whether or not I could be going
down a bad road with my plan?

Unfortunately, there are no temperature sensors on the processor card, so I
can't do an accurate before/after comparison.

(River/214637) You mentioned rebooting...did you try rebooting while (left) cli...

River@rss.iscabbs.com — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:51:00 -0600


You mentioned rebooting...did you try rebooting while (left) clicking?  Hold
the mouse down while you reboot, and the tray should open up during the reboot
process.

If you have another keyboard lying around, I would try hooking that up to the
PowerMac and seeing if the eject key on that one does anything.  I have a
keyboard where one of the Control keys no longer works; it's remote, but I
suppose it's possible that the eject key on your keyboard stopped working.

Good luck!

(Miser/214636) I have a G4 on which I cannot seem to get the cd tray to eject. ...

Miser@rss.iscabbs.com — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:38:00 -0600

I have a G4 on which I cannot seem to get the cd tray to eject.  The eject
option on the pulldown menu is greyed out.  There is no physical cd tray eject
button.  There's no pinhole to push a paper clip into.  The cdrom is installed
and connected and (as far as I know) there's no media in the drive.  I also
tried rebooting the system but to no avail.  Any other ideas?

(BDavis/214635) It's a COM object and it's not sandboxed. It can also be called ...

BDavis@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:55:00 -0600

It's a COM object and it's not sandboxed. It can also be called by other
processes that know it's CLSID. So unless it is very carefully written, it can
be exploited pretty easily. It's 'allowed' for historical reasons, because a
lot of internal apps still use it. I think the default IE security now
restricts it to intranet/trusted sites, but I'm not positive.
I do not think anybody uses it on public-facing sites these days.

(Archmage/214634) Windows XP started in 2001, and MAc OS X in 2002. But that doesn...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:38:00 -0600

Windows XP started in 2001, and MAc OS X in 2002. But that doesn't matter.

The point was made. The Design of the OS can lead to the security of the OS.
An OS can be deisgned to be more secure than other. I'll assume based on the
responses to my post that everyone will agree that Windows 7 was "designed"
to be more secure than Windows XP.


As an aside, why is Active X such a gaping hole? Why is microsoft allowing it?
(Maybe everyone has gone away from requireing it so it doesn't matter.)

(Feoh/214633) I'm with Copper Lethe on this one, I think defining malware that...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:13:00 -0600

I'm with Copper Lethe on this one, I think defining malware that way is an
incredibly slippery slope.

For what it's worth on the maleware discussion - my uneducated stance is quite
simply that the average Windows OS offers a number of attack vectors (ActiveX
controls, Outlook, Internet Explorer) that simply don't exist under OSX.

I've been running Macs for about a decade now.  I run on virus protection, but
scan my machines quarterly with ClamAV or Sophos Just Because, and have never
had a single incidence of infection.

The one time I ever found anything was a trojan in an illegal copy of an Adobe
product a friend had downloaded on my machine but that I wouldn't let him
install :)

(Copper Lethe/214632) "If you can walk into an Apple Store, browse to a URL and jailbr...

Copper Lethe@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:07:00 -0600


"If you can walk into an Apple Store, browse to a URL and jailbreak an iPhone
without the owner of that phone's consent, even though that might be the USER
expectation, that's certainly a definition of 'malware'."

No, it's really not.
If that is going to be the definition of "malare," then iOS is malware.
I can, using nothing more than iOS, delete another persons applications, change
their settings, and in some cases lock them out of it, or wipe the iPhone
completely clean.

(Cyanide/214631) All security is down the tubes if the attacker has physical acce...

Cyanide@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:52:00 -0600

All security is down the tubes if the attacker has physical access to
breach the machine with. In this case the user, who by permission of the
owner, installed the software.

(Sheik Yerbouti/214630) "Software that works exactly as the user expects it to, and does...

Sheik Yerbouti@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:43:00 -0600


"Software that works exactly as the user expects it to, and does not
harm a computer or allow access without consent is not, by any
definition, "malware.""

If you can walk into an Apple Store, browse to a URL and jailbreak an iPhone
without the owner of that phone's consent, even though that might be the USER
expectation, that's certainly a definition of 'malware'. Jailbreaking
forces the system into a state where the system can no longer verify
that software is signed before running, meaning that the system is
running in a less-secure state, which users may or may not realize. This
is also a definition of malware.

I mean, 'Mac Defender' behaved as the user expected too (although it
tended to alert users to problems that weren't there). once you bought
it you actually got some antivirus protection from what I read. Is that
malware?

(BDavis/214629) Making comparisons to XP is sorta behind the times. But even the...

BDavis@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:58:00 -0600

Making comparisons to XP is sorta behind the times. But even then, it was
possible to lock up the OS pretty hard, but the defaults were not set that way
and most did not bother. As for developers, they've been hearing the "design
secure apps" mantra for years now. Your knowledge is dated.
Windows 7 even with default settings is reasonably secure. IE is still a
mediocre browser imo but the security is much better than it used to be,
although if you allow ActiveX controls you are pretty much on your own. And if
the Mac actually becomes widespread enough, the "dummies" will be allowing crap
to install on OS X as well. People don't read dialogs, they just click OK.
Incidentally I used to make a bit of money cleaning off viruses/malware when XP
was the only game in town. Since Windows 7, it's dropped WAY off and I do not
think it is because people suddenly got more tech savvy.

(Cyanide/214628) It took about 5 years after OS 9 was dead before windows support...

Cyanide@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:55:00 -0600

It took about 5 years after OS 9 was dead before windows supporters
got rid of that argument, the last I heard it was someone at work,
and that was 2-3 years ago.

The real battle is between Android and iOS. There are probably already
more of those devices on the market then MacOS and Windows devices.

The hardware has to catch up, I don't know if that can be done in 5 years
or not. There are pieces in the roadmap but hardare development is much
slower process then software.

(Knightshade/214627) Why are you comparing OS X to a Microsoft OS designed last centu...

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:11:00 -0600

Why are you comparing OS X to a Microsoft OS designed last century?

It'd be like someone complaining that Mac OS9 doesn't multitask properly or
something.

(Archmage/214626) I am not going to sit here and pretend to be some technical exp...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:48:00 -0600

I am not going to sit  here and pretend to be some technical expert on desktop
OS security but let's attempt to review the design deifferences between Mac
OS X and Windows XP where security is concerned:

Windows XP:
 o Pretty much useless with non-Microsfot-written software unless you are the
   Admin user because developers were not encouraged to design with
   security in mind by Microsoft or it's SDK. (Let alone that Microsoft
   pretty much encourage use of "Administrator" as the base every day user
   or had no distinction between that and a user with Administrative privs.
 o No check to make sure  you want to install software ware, when software
   attmepts to be installed. (At least, not a well-designed check.)
 o Ships with an internet browser that was a purpetual gateway to maleware, see
   the previous bullets.
 o Upon the design if its new OP (Vista) "Security" was a huge undertaking
   in the improvement to the OS. So much to a point that they went to far
   and made use of the system incredibly annoying.

Mac OS X:
 o Built on FreeBSD which has unix security measures in an environment which
   promotes the idea of multiple users with varying permissions.
 o disallowed the root user, forcing you to 'sudo' to  run commands
   which need root access (read , user acknlowedges risk here.)
 o Any installtion of an application leads to a dialogue with acknowledge
   of permission to do such a thing, and to have this happen without such
   acknowledgment would require finding of a huge security hole.


I am not saying that Mac OS X is impervious to attacks. But I think it is
clear that its design lends itself to being more so than Windows had been.
I can't speak for Windows Vista/7. In my limited experience there, Windows 7
has been somewhat better. (although I do still find out about people running
Windows 7 who have to send their computers off to get viruses cleaned,
because they ask me and I have to tell them I don't know how to do that stuff
anymore.) I guess you'd argue that is due to large adoption, not OS design.


The larger adoptionof Windows is also a factor. I am not doubting that.
As much as Mac OS X gets the reputation as an "OS for dummies" it's
actually more "dummies" who run Windows and allow most common email and
internet browsers to cause a proliferation of virus and malware around
the world.   It's also the Windows users who tend to do more installing
of non-reputable software instead of making sure they are only putting
high quality reputable software on their systems. (Of course, when you pay
2 to 3 times as much for your computer, you might be more inclined to also
pay for the software you need.)
When people buy cheap ass cars, they know they are saving money.
Unfortunately poeple still think they can cheap out on software and
they'll be just fine. Then they wonder why they have to hand their computer
to someone once a year to get the malware cleaned off.

(Ace High/214625 Forum Moderator) The word "fanboy" has no place in this forum. Keep on the topic,...

Ace High@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:03:00 -0600

The word "fanboy" has no place in this forum. Keep on the topic, not the
posters.

(Justin Case/214624) Is it me or is SMB sharing in 10.7 a turd? I'm constantly havin...

Justin Case@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:44:00 -0600

Is it me or is SMB sharing in 10.7 a turd?  I'm constantly having to stop and
restart file sharing on my MP with 10.7.3 to get my Windows clients to be able
to connect to it.

Then, it'll work just fine for awhile and then out of the blue it craps out.

And screen sharing is still busted.....

(Egregious/214623) If part of the secure design is "users cannot install arbitrary ...

Egregious@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:17:00 -0600


If part of the secure design is "users cannot install arbitrary software"
then "users can install arbitrary software" is a security flaw.

(Copper Lethe/214622) Sure.

Copper Lethe@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:14:00 -0600


Sure.
This is what those running the software intended when they ran it.  It didn't
harm the unit, did not do anything the user didn't want it to do, and did not
allow unauthorized access to the users hardware or data.

(Knightshade/214621) Feb 13, 2012 11:08 from Copper Lethe

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:11:00 -0600




Feb 13, 2012 11:08 from Copper Lethe

"There's also malware for iOS, otherwise people wouldn't be able to jailbreak
their phones"

I'm not sure I get this.  Malware means "malicious software."






yes.  And such software uses EXACTLY the same sort of unsigned code exploits to
be able to run as the popular jailbreak software does. (doubly so for the PDF
jailbreak the two different times it was possible)

(Copper Lethe/214620) "There's also malware for iOS, otherwise people wouldn't be able...

Copper Lethe@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:08:00 -0600


"There's also malware for iOS, otherwise people wouldn't be able to jailbreak
their phones"

I'm not sure I get this.  Malware means "malicious software."  Software that
works exactly as the user expects it to, and does not harm a computer or allow
access without consent is not, by any definition, "malware."

(Egregious/214619) > The reason why doesn't matter

Egregious@rss.iscabbs.com — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:59:00 -0600


> The reason why doesn't matter

It matters a lot if the reason is that there aren't as many, because
telling people to get Macs erodes that advantage.

I'm pretty safe on OpenBSD, and I'm sure a big part of that is
OpenBSD's design.  However, I'd be deliberately stupid if I claimed
that there wasn't also the fact that the install base is smaller by an
order of magnitude or two, so the commercial malware market doesn't
see the benefit in it.  Faced with the prospect of owning all the
Windows machiens in the world versus owning all the OpenBSD machines
in the world, there a shitload more value in the former.

Computers that don't let the user install arbitrary software are also
going to be more secure than general-purpose computers.  It's a
subjective question whether this is worth the loss of freedom.

(Sheik Yerbouti/214618) "Again the software and design of the mac has NOTHING to do with...

Sheik Yerbouti@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:38:00 -0600


"Again the software and design of the mac has NOTHING to do with the amount of
malware available."

Up until at least Windows Vista, the Windows core operating system didn't know
where a system event was coming from (mouse/keyboard, another piece of
software, etc). This was both a major vector for malware transmission and also
the cause for the relentless 'cancel or allow' dialog box in Vista.

So yes, at least up until Vista came out the Windows operating system was much
worse than the Mac architecturally at protecting the system from malware. Is
there malware for the Mac? Sure. There's been several trojans that have come
out into the wild that rely on social engineering to infect a system. There's
also malware for iOS, otherwise people wouldn't be able to jailbreak their
phones.

But given that Apple is now the number 3 PC vendor in the US (and I think in
the top 5 worldwide), and if you include iPads they are number one, it's
going to be increasingly difficult to trot out the old 'security through
obscurity' claim for much longer. Of course, in 5 years the vast
majority of computing devices are going to be mobile, and the whole Mac
vs PC argument is going to be about as topical as Hatfield vs McCoy.

(The After Party/214617) Archmage

The After Party@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:11:00 -0600

Archmage

  Actually, i was wondering about the apps.
  Can i xfer those?
  I can plug my phone/iPad into her itunes and transfer them to my devices
  or does doing that wipe out my apps?

(John Public/214616) If it's quantifiable, then would you quantify it? Seems like tha...

John Public@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:00:00 -0600

If it's quantifiable, then would you quantify it? Seems like that would make a
case more than accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a windows
fanboy.

(Dr Doctor/214615) Yes, and it's a tired argument. "Safer" is a tangible benefit t...

Dr Doctor@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:00:00 -0600


Yes, and it's a tired argument.  "Safer" is a tangible benefit to using Mac OS
over Windows.  It's real, it's quantifiable, and it's apparent to anyone who
has done a bare minimum of just Google "research"[1].

Every time this benefit is highlighted, some smug Windows dude has to shoot off
at the mouth that "Macs aren't any safer because [here's me showing off how
brainy I am]."  It's annoying in the extreme.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/malware-on-the-mac.ars

(John Public/214614) These are two different things:

John Public@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:35:00 -0600

These are two different things:

    The NUMBER of known malware, attacks, viruses, vulnerabilities, etc., and
    The LIKELIHOOD of ONE SYSTEM falling prey to malware.

The first number drives the public mis-perception, yet it has nothing to do
with the security of the Mac operating system.

Wouldn't the fanboy be the guy who thinks HIS system is safe and secure
because he believes ANOTHER operating system to be less secure?  Like the guy
who thinks his car won't get stolen in Yakima, Washington, since there are
plenty of cars to steal in Oakland.

[Pointless fact: Murder rate in Kansas is 3-5 times that of Syria. Hrmmm...]

(BDavis/214613) There are many factors in how likely you are to contract a virus...

BDavis@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:32:00 -0600

There are many factors in how likely you are to contract a virus. I've been
using computers since long before the internet and could count on one hand the
number of times I've even seen malware threaten to infect me. While I would
agree you are less likely to pick up something on OSX, the actual security of
the operating system is often overstated and has been debunked by people a lot
smarter than me.

(Dr Doctor/214612) No, I'm saying that ignoring the demonstrable difference in th...

Dr Doctor@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:18:00 -0600


No, I'm saying that ignoring the *demonstrable difference* in the rate of
Windows malware vs. Mac malware in an attempt to appear intellectually superior
is ... yes, being a Windows fanboi.

The fact is that the threat of malware is lower.  You are safer on a Mac.
*Regardless of the level of "security" the operating system provides*, you are
*safer from malware* on a Mac.  The threat isn't there.

I'm more likely to get shot in Homs, Syria, than I am in Lawrence, Kansas.  I'm
more likely to suffer from malware on Windows than a Mac.  While you can argue
"security" and "design" until you're blue in the face, the threat just isn't
there to any degree worth worrying about.

(John Public/214610) Oh, I get it. Security-through-Kool-Aid.

John Public@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:03:00 -0600

Oh, I get it. Security-through-Kool-Aid.
If you question Mac security, you're a Windows fanboy.

(Dr Doctor/214609) I think it's disingenuos to poopoo the security benefits of runn...

Dr Doctor@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:55:00 -0600


I think it's disingenuos to poopoo the security benefits of running a Mac over
Windows -- regardless of the reasons.  The fact remains, you're safer on a Mac
than Windows machine, period.  The reason why doesn't matter (at least not
now).  To say otherwise is being a Windows fanboi.

(John Public/214608) Archmage> The design is more secure? How so? They handed over `s...

John Public@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:24:00 -0600

Archmage> The design is more secure? How so? They handed over `sudo` for all
these years.

Salubrious> Security through obscurity is a different thing altogether (it
means the security relies on keeping the implementation secret.) I'm not
arguing that macs appear to have less malware because they are more obscure or
secret. I'm saying there are fewer macs, and there are fewer attackers
interested in macs.  As Cerebus said, it's largely unrelated to the mac
design.

From a marketing perspective, I do find it fascinating that consumers will
permit the brand image of Apple to bleed into made-up ideas about the
technical merits. For example, some consumers who believe Apple produces a
better LOOKING desktop may convince themselves that Apple produces more SECURE
operating system, based on the positive image they hold of Apple, but not
based on any specific technical information.

(Archmage/214607) TAP:

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:22:00 -0600

TAP:
For your wifes music, as long as she only has the DRM-free songs from Ituens
store, you can just drop then in your music library. If you fear that she does
have some songs that still have the DRM in them, Itunes will convert them for
30 cents per song.

Back when itunes music was DRMed, I only bought it when someone gave me gift
cards or some other reason like the album was _really_ cheap and I didn't care
so much about the artists for my "collection".  When itunes announced that
all songs could be upgraded to iTunes + (DRM free), it cost me about 24 dolalrs
to take verything in my library and make it non-DRM.

(Capa/214606) Have you guys ever used Adobe InCopy on the Mac? It is soooo sll...

Capa@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:13:00 -0600

Have you guys ever used Adobe InCopy on the Mac? It is soooo sllowwwwww.

(Capa/214605) According to the Steve Jobs biography, Gorilla glass was invente...

Capa@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:04:00 -0600

According to the Steve Jobs biography, Gorilla glass was invented in like the
1960s or something, but they didn't do anything with it until Jobs asked them
to make some for the iPhone.

(Salubrious/214604) John Public: you are just restating what I said: security by obs...

Salubrious@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:15:00 -0600

John Public: you are just restating what I said: security by obscurity.  It's
like the difference between parking my car outside my house in rural Minnesota
and parking it on the street in Tijuana. The security features of my car might
be the same (although there are good arguements that OSX is superior to
Windows, especially compared to older versions of Windows), but putting a
Windows PC on the Internet is like parking your car in the worst neighborhood
in the world. You'd better hope that your security is pristine.

(Archmage/214603) TAP:

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:11:00 -0600

TAP:

You might as well keep the ipad 1. Use it has a kick ass electronic photo
frame, at the very least.
Unless you find a sucker to buy it, the amount of money you'd get
from selling it wouldn't be worth letting it go, IMO.

(Archmage/214602) I disagree. Even if Mac OS X were as popular was windows, it wou...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:10:00 -0600

I disagree. Even if Mac OS X were as popular was windows, it would have less
viruses and malware than Windos XP (can't speak for Windows 7.)
OS X' design is far more secure.

(John Public/214601) Naw. There are simply far fewer mac desktops than windows, even ...

John Public@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:11:00 -0600

Naw. There are simply far fewer mac desktops than windows, even fewer used for
business, and far fewer used for servers. They're just not a big blip on
hacker's radar screens compared to the other blips.

(Salubrious/214600) I didn't, but the fact that OSX does not run Windows software is...

Salubrious@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:48:00 -0600

I didn't, but the fact that OSX does not run Windows software is a good reason
that little malware will run on it. It may be security by obscurity, but it is
still quite effective.

(Stilgar/214599) He didn't make that claim.

Stilgar@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:35:00 -0600

He didn't make that claim.

(Cerebus/214598) Again the software and design of the mac has NOTHING to do with ...

Cerebus@rss.iscabbs.com — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:18:00 -0600

Again the software and design of the mac has NOTHING to do with the amount of
malware available.

(River Rat/214597) Knightshade, you should think Green. Don't use paper.

River Rat@rss.iscabbs.com — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:08:00 -0600

Knightshade, you should think Green.  Don't use paper.

(River Rat/214596) HowStuffWorks "How Gorilla Glass Works"

River Rat@rss.iscabbs.com — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:59:00 -0600

HowStuffWorks "How Gorilla Glass Works"
electronics.howstuffworks.com . Tech . Electronics . Everyday TechGorilla Glass
is a scratch- and impact-resistant glass that can be used on cell phones and
other gadgets. Learn what makes Gorilla Glass so tough.
GorillaGlass -- Engadget

(Salubrious/214595) Just the fact that iOS, like OSX, is not a huge platform for vir...

Salubrious@rss.iscabbs.com — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:12:00 -0600

Just the fact that iOS, like OSX, is not a huge platform for viruses and
malware eliminate 70% of the support calls. Were money not an object, I would
have all of my family on Apple products.

(Zipo/214594) got one for my mom as wwll and she loves it! Also I work for an ...

Zipo@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:10:00 -0600

got one for my mom as wwll and she loves it! Also I work for an assistive tech
company and w'ere seeing a huge up take by seniors and peole with alternative
communications type stuf

(The After Party/214593) iPad+ZIplock

The After Party@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:16:00 -0600

iPad+ZIplock

  You can most definitely control the iPad (iphone/etc) thru a bag.
  I was surprised when I found out that this works.

iPad3

  We did nto ugprade to the ipad2, so we're still rocking the original.
  We might sell it and get an iPad3.
  It is a good kid distractor/traveler.
  It was a gift for me, but I rarely get to use it.

iTunes Purchases

  So my wife is done with apple. Can we xfer her purchaes to my itunes
  account?

(Cyanide/214592) damn it.. I wanted to avoid the phone calls.. but we are wiating...

Cyanide@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:21:00 -0600

damn it.. I wanted to avoid the phone calls.. but we are wiating for the
iPad3.. :)

(DrMemory/214591) Actually, I got my mom one, and there were still lots of phone c...

DrMemory@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:10:00 -0600

Actually, I got my mom one, and there were still lots of phone calls...
Still, for her, it was a better solution than a real computer.

(Cyanide/214590) it is a solution in search of a problem FOR essentially IT profe...

Cyanide@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:12:00 -0600

it is a solution in search of a problem FOR essentially IT professionals.
Whom actually it kind of eliminates.. How many calls from your mom or
sister are you going to get with something they can't break? :)

(Raubvogel/214589) If they ipad (and other tablets) is a solution in search of a pr...

Raubvogel@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:56:00 -0600

        If they ipad (and other tablets) is a solution in search of a problem,
clearly the market would have reacted and not bought many.

(Feoh/214588) I think the number of people who buy tablets and not computers i...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:41:00 -0600

I think the number of people who buy tablets and not computers is *currently*
small, but will grow over time.  My computer-phobic sister is a great example.
She had an MBP but never uses it because it scares her.  I used to get calls
every 2 or three months with her in sheer panic mode because she dragged an
icon off the dock and was acting like she'd destroyed it FOREVER, and no amount
of explaining what a shortcut was helped.

With the iPad, there's nothing for her to 'break'.  She runs her apps, she
prints her documents, she browses the web and reads her mail. She is happy.

(Cyanide/214587) WORF> The real question is how many people are not going to buy ...

Cyanide@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:15:00 -0600

WORF> The real question is how many people are not going to buy or delaying the
purcahse of a new computer because they have or will buy a tablet.

And when/if they buy a new computer, what are they going to buy? just a low-end
machine, a portable, or something more fancy...

(Knightshade/214586) and again, it's not even a case of "You just don't get how aweso...

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:48:00 -0600

and again, it's not even a case of "You just don't get how awesome a table tis
because you don't have one"


I do have one... a nice one that costs similar to the ipad.... I just didn't
pay for it.


and after the first couple weeks as a curiousity it sits unused 98% of the time

(Knightshade/214585) Feb 10, 2012 11:35 from Archmage

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:41:00 -0600




Feb 10, 2012 11:35 from Archmage
So were right back to swaure one. Some poeple like/need the tablet and others
don't.  I am not sure why this concept is so profound.





Me neither.


I said in my very first post on this that the new ipad was coming out on a
specific date, it looked nice, and I still couldn't think of anything I'd get
much use out of one for.  That's it.


Then other folks decided to list stuff they use it for, so I mentioned why
those uses did not fit (I don't spend 2 hrs a day on a train, I don't have
kids, etc...) or didn't make any sense to me (ie watching movies at home, when
there's a 52" HDTV 6 feet away...or playing music when there's a 7.1 channel HD
Audio receiver 6 feet away that can stream my much-too-big-to-fit-on-an-ipad
music collection)

(Salubrious/214584) If one just wants the iPad for media consumption, the Kindle Fir...

Salubrious@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:43:00 -0600

If one just wants the iPad for media consumption, the Kindle Fire may be worth
a look. Walmart is now offering it for $199 with a $50 gift card.

(Dr Johnny Fever/214583) How many iPad users are really making the decision of one or ano...

Dr Johnny Fever@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:39:00 -0600

How many iPad users are really making the decision of one or another?

I bet almost all of them also have a PC of some sort.  It's just another tool
we use in our home.  It fits a niche between computer and smart phone.  It's a
really good media comsumer, just not a great creator.

(Archmage/214582) So were right back to swaure one. Some poeple like/need the tabl...

Archmage@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:35:00 -0600

So were right back to swaure one. Some poeple like/need the tablet and others
don't.  I am not sure why this concept is so profound.

At home I use it for magazines, games, twitter, and other casual entertainment
or browsing.  Hell, sometimes if my MacBook Air is closer, I'll just
use that. It's not as if the ipod _replaces_ it.

I use it when I am moving/traveling for movies and mags. Nothing cures a plane
or bus ride more than having a decent movie to watch on your own
personal screen.  I never leave town without the ipad.

I actually skipped the ipad 2 because the delta wasn't great enough for me
in spite of the processor bump and camera and lighter design.
The ipad 3 with the greater resoltution and all the other previously
mentioned uprades pretty much makes this a must have as long as I can
put 1080p movies on it.

(WORF/214581) Again though, it goes back to the casual user. If you're spendin...

WORF@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:33:00 -0600


Again though, it goes back to the casual user. If you're spending $500 on a
desktop or $500 on a tablet, the flexibility and portablility of the tablet may
be much more appealing to a casual user than spending the money on the desktop.

Just because you're not the use case (and I'd argue that anyone with multiple
computers really isn't a target user of a tablet) doesn't mean that there are
not a lot of people who are.

For someone else, the idea of buying a computer, monitor and printer just to be
able to look something up and print it when they want to read it probably seems
dumb when they can just pull it up instantly. Or the idea that they would need
to sit down in front of the desktop PC to read an ebook from Amazon, when they
could just kick back on the couch with a tablet instead probably seems stupid.

Plus, you don't have to spend $500 on a tablet. You can get away with less.

(Feoh/214580) Some people want/like paper, some (like me) hate it :)

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:33:00 -0600

Some people want/like paper, some (like me) hate it :)

WORF> got to disagree about the data plan, my iPad's wifi only and it works
great.  I just download all my books, news, etc when I'm at home or work with
wifi, and then on the subway I'm network-less.

(Knightshade/214579) Feb 10, 2012 11:23 from WORF

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:27:00 -0600



Feb 10, 2012 11:23 from WORF

Whereas I would think using a tablet in the kitchen to look up a recipe is a
perfect use.





 If I'm cooking something I don't know my heart I've already got a paper copy
of it in front of me.  No need for the tablet, I've got a really nice printer.








Feb 10, 2012 11:23 from WORF
....I am always amazed when people will buy things and then be afraid to use
them.
I don't know about most folks, but when I cook, I don't tend to make a mess.





Me neither.  My wife is another story though.  I don't normally care, because
if she makes the mess, she cleans it up.  But "You spilled this broth on the
ipad (fouling the water tamper seals) so you owe me $500" probably won't go
over as easily as "You spilled some stuff on the stove, please wipe it up"



But really, if the only case for spending $500 on an ipad for the home is "to
reference recipies" I'm gonna suggest that's a really goofy solution compared
to a printed recipie.

(Feoh/214578) Egregious> The plastic bag approach doesn't work for the iPad si...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:28:00 -0600

Egregious> The plastic bag approach doesn't work for the iPad since it can't
sense your touch through that, and hence AFAIK you can't turn pages :) I use my
trusty old Kindle DX for that :)

(Egregious/214577) A tablet in a big ziploc bag is amazingly convenient and resists...

Egregious@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:26:00 -0600


A tablet in a big ziploc bag is amazingly convenient and resists most near
any spill.  It's safer to read in the tub than a normal book unless you fall
asleep and drown, but in that case you have a bigger problem.

(WORF/214576) Whereas I would think using a tablet in the kitchen to look up a...

WORF@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:23:00 -0600


Whereas I would think using a tablet in the kitchen to look up a recipe is a
perfect use.

I am always amazed when people will buy things and then be afraid to use them.
I don't know about most folks, but when I cook, I don't tend to make a mess.
Even if you did spill something on the screen, it'll quickly wipe off.

I see people using iPads in the gym in place of magazines. They're much more
robust than a paper mag ever would be and if they get sweaty/wet you just wipe
it down like any other machine.

(Knightshade/214575) See, I wouldn't let an ipad anywhere near the kitchen.

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:18:00 -0600


See, I wouldn't let an ipad anywhere near the kitchen.

My wife would spill some crap on it.


I don't give a shit when she does that with a $5 cooking magazine.

A $500 tablet I'd give a shit about.


and if they even make a waterproof uber-otterbox type ipad case, I'd imagine it
makes it a lot less fun to actually use.



The light web browse, as I mentioned, was about the only thing the thinkpad
tablet we had ever got used for, but it wasn't much....

if it was any browsing requiring heavy keyboard use (discussion forums, etc)
I'd be using the laptop in the next room, or a desktop upstairs..... if it was
"look up how many teaspoons in a pint" it was way faster to do that on the
iphone in my pocket than even FIND the tablet...

The in-between, that happened to come up in the livingroom, was pretty
uncommon.




But yes, I agree, if one traveled a lot it'd be nice to have.... at home, I see
it collecting a fair amount of dust though... and my job doesn't really require
any travel...and when travelling on vacation I usually have better things to do
than surf the web in a hotel.

(WORF/214574) IMHO tablets in general (not just the iPad) are useful if:

WORF@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:17:00 -0600


IMHO tablets in general (not just the iPad) are useful if:

1) Your use is mostly casual (ie couch, train, gym use for email, web, reading,
photos, etc.).
2) You have a data plan.

(Feoh/214572) Totally agreed Johnny Fever, great for travel. Perfect for web ...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:16:00 -0600

Totally agreed Johnny Fever, great for travel.  Perfect for web browsing in the
hotel, reading on the plane, etc.

(Dr Johnny Fever/214571) I have real computers, Phones, and TVs all over the place and we...

Dr Johnny Fever@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:06:00 -0600

I have real computers, Phones, and TVs all over the place and we still manage
to use the 2 iPads in our house frequently.

The kids use it for web browsing, games and homework.

It's far more convenient for me to use than a laptop for use on the sofa for
light web browsing, etc.  Same in the kitchen.  It has replaced a bookshelf of
cook books.

Extremely useful while travelling to stay connected, but that has already been
discussed.

(Knightshade/214570) Yeah... I have like a 10-15 minute drive to or from work.

Knightshade@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:54:00 -0600

Yeah... I have like a 10-15 minute drive to or from work.


If I had a 2-hr train ride daily I'd probably see a lot more value in it.

Ditto if I didn't otherwise have "real" computers at home and work, as well as
an iphone.

(Feoh/214569) I'm kinda fascinated by all the write-ups I've seen with folks b...

Feoh@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:46:00 -0600

I'm kinda fascinated by all the write-ups I've seen with folks basically saying
"Meh" about the iPad.  I think it all depends upon your needs.  I spend ~2hrs a
day stuck on a subway and a bus, for me, the iPad has been *AWESOME*.  I can
code (Textastic), read my book (Kindle), play a game, or if I'm feeling
creative compose some music or paint a picture.

All of that in s super small, super light device that fits into my book bag
effortlessly and can be operated with one hand while hanging on :)

(Wang Master/214568) so i have a phone now that has 1280x720 resolution, dual cores, ...

Wang Master@rss.iscabbs.com — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:17:00 -0600

so i have a phone now that has 1280x720 resolution, dual cores, and is pretty
much as powerful as the average tablet out there right now.
i have a motorola xoom tablet
and I have a thinkpad w520 laptop.

between the 3 devices, i rarely use the xoom.  i bought it as a toy, when it
got the ICS update i used it for a while because it was fun to see how ICS
works on that vs on my phone.

but between the phone and laptop i have no use for the tablet other than a toy.

the phone is great for consumption.  The laptop keyboard is far more useful
than a tablet keyboard for actually doing something.

that said, it helps that my phone is at least as powerful as my tablet (if not
more powerful).

If I didn't have a decent phone, i might be using the tablet a bit more
for random browsing on the couch.